I don't trust him and I don't think legally my mom is in a frame of mind to sign any legal documents. My mom feels like she has to secretly tell me what is going on. We have always been open about how to care for mom. I need advice on how Medicaid works because I believe he is keeping this from me for a reason just not sure what?
How old is your stepdad? What is his health like? Does he take good care of your mother?
What kind of cars are we talking about? There's a big difference between a Buick with 90,000 miles on it and a classic Cadillac that's in mint condition that could be sold at auction to a collector.
How much do you estimate their house is worth? Is it a million-dollar mansion or an ordinary house?
Medicaid is not heartless. They don't take assets away from old people that allow them to live in dignity; however, if your mother has assets that could be sold in order to pay for her long term care that's another matter indeed.
They've been fighting this for a year now.
- is this an eligibility issue to get onto Medicaid and the property in question with Medicaid was transferred or gifted within lookback or that property value is an issue? That is a Medicaid transfer penalty issue and imo they need a Medicaid speciality atty that does litigation.
If they transferred the property via a QCD - Quit Claim Deed - and did it as a DIY filing at the courthouse it will be quite a mess to deal with beyond Medicaid eligibility requirements.
or
- is this a Medicaid Estate Recovery issue, so elder has died and now family is dealing with MERP? If it’s post death, they need imo to have a valid will and whomever named as Executor needs to hire a probate atty who understands MERP to start the probate process. Probate then rolls onto however your states laws are for claims against the estate.
If it is “their” property - that meaning an unencumbered property is/ has been transferred & recorded into their name at the courthouse - it can not be seized by Medicaid. I’m guessing that the property in question is not and has not been properly transferred and recorded at the courthouse.
Medicaid wants the applicant to either have spent down appropriately to be eligible or post death has to attempt to get a recoup of $ paid by Medicaid from the deceased estate.
Now property owned by an individual can have a judgement placed atop the property if the owner has a judgement issued on them. Then it goes to whatever system your state does for judgements..... like 5 years and then it falls off or indefinitely but has to be renewed wth fees paid to renew annually.
I’d bet a case of Prosecco that your friends are not giving you the exact details - like property vacant or occupied, documentation provided in detail to the state, exemptions valid, no other securitized lending on property - of all issues & possible cockups in this matter and there’s been actions done on their own without legal advice that have caused the impasse with Medicaid. Medicaid isn’t apt to wait a year to do an eligibility nor is a facility likely to have a resident Medicaid Pending that long. Now if this is in probate, that can be till forever long your state allows probate to stay open assuming there was a valid will to open it and get Letters Testamentary issued.
There is a lot of misinformation in the answers you are getting about Medicaid and spend-down.
The spouse of a person needing Medicaid eligibility is allowed to keep ownership of their home and a specified dollar amount of other property. This amount differs by state. To be eligible for Medicaid, however, your mom can't own more than $2000. So, cars, as long as they are worth less than the amount the spouse can keep, can just go over to the spouse alone. This is NOT gifting, and has nothing to do with look-back.
If you and mom are afraid stepdad is preparing to fly the coop, which you didn't seem to suspect before, consider these alternatives:
He can do (with the advice of a competent elder law attorney) the above planning and transfers, and Medicaid will pay for most of Mom's care. He will possibly be left with some assets after she's gone, which he can use all for himself or maybe leave in his will to his loving step-daughter.
Or
He could sell all their assets and leave himself destitute paying for her care, maybe ultimately qualifying her for Medicaid anyway, since the average survival after diagnosis of LBD is 8 years. Then, maybe he can move in with you, right? Since he'd be homeless and all as a result of taking care of your mom; and you get no inheritance.
OR
Maybe Mom could divorce him--although I'm not sure since she may be incompetent to do that. Then she'd get half their stuff, which she'd have to spend down to $2000 to be eligible for Medicaid. That won't take long once she needs full-time care. Stepdad would have half of what they own and bitter memories. He wouldn't be very likely to see to her care anymore, would he? So, who would do that? Mom will have no inheritance to leave you, and he may not feel like he wants to leave you anything from the half of their assets that he otherwise might have had most of.
So, consider carefully which way you'd choose. My advice is to help him every way you can as long as he is trying to get good care for Mom. Both of you working together will be a lot better for all of you in the long run.
And may God help you all in this difficult journey.
www.nelf.org can help you find one in your state.
www.elderlawanswers.com/protecting-your-house-after-you-move-into-a-nursing-home-6897
A lot of people do this, this is nothing new, whether it’s right or wrong.
Even Sen. Diane Feinstein tried it several years ago when her husband was near death. She got caught when he passed and had to pay a lot.
Insist that he consult with an elder law attorney. Some assets can be legally protected. For others, there is a 'look back' period. If any significant assets are transferred within that period, they will still be counted as belonging to the Medicaid recipient and will be recovered.
If Mom and StepDad have joint accounts, It would turn into a Spousal Improvement if One of them should go in. Right now while she is at Home, He can't do anything without her permission, She is of Sound Mind.
If he does this outside the five year look back, he will be OK. But if within, he can be held responsible for her care. He needs to talk to a lawyer versed in Medicaid. Medicaid does not take the house and car. SD will be considered the community spouse and will not be made impoverished. With my GFs parents Dad was in LTC. Mom remained in the home and had the car. They had 60k in the bank and that was split between them. Dads 30k had to be spent down to the 2k my state allows. When mother passed a few years later, she still had the 30k. So she had enough money to live.
Medicaid does not take the house. They put a lean on it which needs to be paid when and if the house sells.
Do you think its for medicaid avoidance or could it be that he himself has some dementia & is acting on bad advice coupled with his own fears?
Medicaid does NOT require the community spouse (your stepfather) to themselves become impoverished. They can have their home (under a set value) and a (1) car as exempt assets, his monthly income is not a factor for her eligibility, plus he can have his own exempt assets (most states have this at 119k). He can possibly move assets above the 119k to a SPIA to pay him income. Only your mom will need to be at 2k in assets and have income below your states max for her Medicaid eligibility. If he should need some of her monthly income to enable him to continue to live as a community spouse he can request CSRA or MMNA waived from mom’s income to go to him rather than be paid to the NH. Community Spouse Resource Allowance/ Monthly Maintenance Needs Assessment..... think of these as kinda like old school alimony for the nonNH spouse. But how to best do any of these are imho not ever a DIY project. SPIAs in particular are very much speciality underwriting to be ok for Medicaid. Really imo they need to work with a NAELA or CELA level of elder law attorney to come up with a plan that will work for however Medicaid reviews LTC applications for your state. Not a DIY.
His transferring stuff now may actually be placing her into getting a transfer penalty when she finally applies for Medicaid. He’d have to do everything like now and not apply till Spring, 2024 to get past the 5 yr look back. That’s a l....o....n...g long time.
On another note, My late mom had Lewy and in many ways at the beginning and mid stages it was quite different than Alz was my experience. They stay lots more competent & cognitive and can continue to be pretty good at their ADLs. Which can be problematic for being found to be medically “at need” for skilled nursing care in a NH. Most states Medicaid LTC programs only will pay for NH level of care. If she cannot be evaluated to be “at need” medically for SNC then no Medicaid paid NH so either it’s private pay in AL or at a NH. It’s often a fine line to get Lewy to show “at need” medically for Medicaid. For my mom, she was in IL and it took abt 5 mos of seeing her gerontologist every 3-5 weeks to verifiably build up her health chart to show she was at need. She did the jump from IL to NH bypassing the AL phase. At the time, I didn’t realize just how unusual this was. For those living at home or in IL, they flat often do not have the fat medical chart to show need like someone hospitalized (MediCARE) then discharged to post hospitalization rehab (MediCARE benefit) at a NH with a rehab unit does. Most NH admits come via this process, so they come into NH with MediCARE paying at least till 20/21 days & if they aren’t “progressing” in rehab, they remain in the NH and transition to skilled nursing care (which is either private paid, LTC insurance or they file to be Medicaid Pending). Plus They have a nice fat medical chart that clearly shows “need”. And family kinda has that rehab period to pull together the documentation needed to file for &/or spend down till Medicaid eligible.
So so what’s your vibe..... he’s care for her but is fearful / panicking doing stuff without fully realizing he’s creating problems OR he’s moving on & away from his wife your mom??? To me your next step kinda needs to be determined by what his intent is.