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The Agency my Dad used, each caregiver could only work a 40 hour week. Thus, 3 shifts per day, with the 1st shift being the same person M-F. On weekends, 3 shifts, with the 1st shift being the same weekend person. In my area, it was costing $20k per month. I know, yikes!!
This way, the caregivers would go home and come back refreshed. if a caregiver couldn't make his/her shift, the Agency quickly found another person to fill in. Dad was never without someone at his house. And if a caregiver was running behind schedule, the previous shift caregiver would wait. If it was going to a long wait, then someone from the main office would cover until the next caregiver showed up.
NOTE: If you are hiring on your own, and not using an Agency, please note that you would need to contact your homeowner's insurance carrier to purchase a "workman's comp" policy. This policy is needed in case a caregiver should get hurt on the job. The insurance carrier might also suggest what is called an "umbrella policy".
Remember I mentioned that my Dad was paying $20k per month. Dad decided it was time to sell the house, and move to senior living. At senior living the cost was $5k to $7k per month in my area, and Dad felt he was getting good care. With the savings, Dad was able to bring along his 1st shift caregivers to be with him from 7am to 1pm, that help give Dad a routine, and a familiar face when he work up in the morning.
Are you hiring yourself or going through an agency? The agencies in my city all quoted me $6,000 and month for 3 caregivers to work 24/7 and they work out the days off between them. It would be a miracle if 3 caregivers could get along with each other and the person they are caring for. Whenever I had more than 1 caregiver for my mom, they would complain to me about what the other one was not doing. But miracles happen. Ask around in your community what is available. Usually anyone, even live in, will need 2 days off a week.
OMG! Your experience so resonates with me! I hired 2 attendants for my mom in India (big mistake) and they didn't get along at all and in the end, my poor mom had to suffer with gaps in coverage... I had to fire these two.
There are 168 hours in a week, start from there. Best of luck finding people that will show up, on time, not argue like toddlers over assigned duties ( Judy doesn’t like to dust, Pam doesn’t want to haul the garbage to the curb!) The agency we were dealing with was the worst experience! They were fired, but hopefully no other agency is bad as they were. We found caregivers “off the street” that were way better & NEEDED jobs really bad, plus paid them more than would’ve made anywhere else. We let them work out their hours among themselves, kept track with timesheets.
Depending on where you live, you are are looking at around $100,000 per year Just for caregivers, that doesn’t include ANY living expenses for the elder at all.
Caregivers want job security. The best caregivers will hold an in-home job until the person dies or moves to an institution, or their own circumstances change.
My FIL currently has 2 caregivers, each working 8-hour shifts Monday through Friday. If we needed an overnight caregiver, that would be 3 people per day each working 8-hour shifts. Weekends are 2 different caregivers each working 8-hour shifts, and if we needed an overnight caregiver, that would be another person. When someone goes on vacation, we need to find someone to fill-in. Thankfully, these caregivers have a network of people who will work their shifts while they're on vacation.
It's GINORMOUSLY expensive. At $20 per hour, it's over $300 each and every day. Do the math $20 x 16 x 365 = $116,800 which is staggering and why my FIL is burning through his money at an eye-watering rate. If you could find people willing to work for $15 an hour, you're looking at $131,400 a year for 24-hour care. Even if you paid federal minimum wage $7.25 you're still looking at $63,510 for 24-hour care.
If you are looking for 24/7 care, my experience is that a service is a better choice than trying to source for yourself. You would be amazed at how many people don’t show up, personalities clash, etc. The service is your buffer. THEY have to handle the headaches, of which there are many.
Plus, a good agency’s owners will work harder to create a fit between clients and staff. For us, that was unexpected and invaluable.
Not sure if you need a caregiver who is awake at night? We did, so we started with an agency that staffed 12 hour shifts (14 shifts per week) at $25/hour. That's $600/day, so ~$18K/month, and the caregivers were only making about $12-13/hour from the agency.
Our weekday caregivers were fantastic, reliable, and my mom was comfortable with them. The weekend caregivers were different nearly every weekend, and didn't seem all that motivated. So, we decided to "buy out" our weekday caregiver from the agency, and she referred us to four other great caregivers with whom she felt she could cover 24/7 as a team.
It worked very well, thanks to the professionalism of the five terrific caregivers. We paid them $16-17/hour, with time and a half for overtime. All on the books, using nanny-payroll software to take care of taxes, SS, medicare, and unemployment insurance. If you hire privately, don't forget to get a workers' comp policy in case someone hurts themselves.
Hugely expensive. We recently moved Mom to a nursing home because she needed services we couldn't provide at home, and it costs less than the caregivers alone, while providing food, activities, medical care, etc.
Yeah any person can CLAIM to get injured in your home and sue your estate. That's why I use agencies, or someone I truly trust (like my husband) if I need someone to sit with my mom.
Hi I worked in hone health care as a staff coordinator, assistant admin, administrator and quality assurance/ quality improvement director for over 40 years. I now do senior service care management and senior advocacy so I have knowledge on senior care. 24 hr care can be done 2 ways you can hire teams if caregivers and pay them directly or you go through an agency that had binding in each employee, workers compensation and pay them direct withholding all taxes. The agency’s cost is higher hourly to pay the person and civet overhead and insurance coverage. shifts of 12 hrs or 8 hrs can be done privately or through the agency on an hourly basis BUT 12 hr shifts through the agency will require you to pay time and a half for the last 4 hrs. This can get costly. If you do 8 hr shifts 7 days a week you’ll have 6 people per week if you do 12 hrs you’ll have 4 people per week M-F and others on the weekend for both or M-Th abs the other shifts Fri-Sun. Or you can hire a live in privately to do 5 days and another for 2 days then you’d only have 2 people a week in the home . And there are some who will do 24/7 live in. Privately the range you’ll pay is $110-145 or more per 24 hr period depending on where you live in the US. Through an agency Exocet to pay $200 and up because most live-ins get $125 -$160 through a reliable agency. Please understand the live in isn’t working non stop the break down especially through an agency is 8 hrs work, 8 hrs sleep, 3 hrs for meals and the other 5 hrs is to be in the home for safety and it’s ok to get up during the night to help the patient but if the caregiver is up all day and all night doing on hands care this is in violation to labor laws. You’ll need to be very clear on the caregivers duties. The patient provides meals and a adequate place to sleep for the live- in. I hope this helps . Screaming, testing and background checks of private caregivers is critical. Agencies do all this.
When my friend for whom I was her P.O.A. started to wander at night, I was told she needed 24 hour care. I hired through an agency and they had two ladies who rotated. One would stay for 5 days and nights straight and then the other would take over. They would sleep on the couch in the living room and the stairs were right there so they knew when my friend would come down in the night and see if she could get out. The door was a double locked door that had a key the care giver would take out so when my friend tried to leave, she could not. The ladies would guide her back upstairs to her bed. The care givers had to be light sleepers who would awaken easily when my friend came downstairs. I would go grocery shopping for my friends and also for the care giver who would tell me what she wanted to eat, so I provided the food. This system cost over $13,000 a month. I did it for 6 weeks before convincing the husband it was time to go to a memory care apartment I had found for them in order to save money. That cost just under $10,000 a month for the two of them. I have no idea what the care-givers actually were earning, just paid the agency.
If this is a family member, you can work as many hours as you want if you are a non paid caregiver. However, paid care giver, should work no more than 8 hours a day in a 24 hour period. Overtime for any other hours. Keep in mind if you want quality care, you can not work the paid care giver the death. 24 hour care will produce 4 people at 8 hours a day. However, the patient is sleeping at night and doing the day, so you can watch for the 8 plus hours at nights yourself, and split the other 14 hours between 2 to 3 care aid. Having one person work more than 10 to 12 hours a day will result in poor quality of care.
Federal law doesn't require overtime pay for hours in excess of 8 hours/day unless they are in excess of 40 hours in a workweek. See https://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime_pay.htm.
I agree, though, that excessively long hours will result in caregiver burnout and poor quality of care!
We did it only once, to get away for 3 days, 2 nights together. I let the Agency take care of setting up hours. It was worth the money. Later, to take a longer trip to see relatives, hubby and I took turns away, and had extra caregiver hours for the one at home.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.
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The Agency my Dad used, each caregiver could only work a 40 hour week. Thus, 3 shifts per day, with the 1st shift being the same person M-F. On weekends, 3 shifts, with the 1st shift being the same weekend person. In my area, it was costing $20k per month. I know, yikes!!
This way, the caregivers would go home and come back refreshed. if a caregiver couldn't make his/her shift, the Agency quickly found another person to fill in. Dad was never without someone at his house. And if a caregiver was running behind schedule, the previous shift caregiver would wait. If it was going to a long wait, then someone from the main office would cover until the next caregiver showed up.
NOTE: If you are hiring on your own, and not using an Agency, please note that you would need to contact your homeowner's insurance carrier to purchase a "workman's comp" policy. This policy is needed in case a caregiver should get hurt on the job. The insurance carrier might also suggest what is called an "umbrella policy".
Remember I mentioned that my Dad was paying $20k per month. Dad decided it was time to sell the house, and move to senior living. At senior living the cost was $5k to $7k per month in my area, and Dad felt he was getting good care. With the savings, Dad was able to bring along his 1st shift caregivers to be with him from 7am to 1pm, that help give Dad a routine, and a familiar face when he work up in the morning.
Depending on where you live, you are are looking at around $100,000 per year Just for caregivers, that doesn’t include ANY living expenses for the elder at all.
My FIL currently has 2 caregivers, each working 8-hour shifts Monday through Friday. If we needed an overnight caregiver, that would be 3 people per day each working 8-hour shifts. Weekends are 2 different caregivers each working 8-hour shifts, and if we needed an overnight caregiver, that would be another person. When someone goes on vacation, we need to find someone to fill-in. Thankfully, these caregivers have a network of people who will work their shifts while they're on vacation.
It's GINORMOUSLY expensive. At $20 per hour, it's over $300 each and every day. Do the math $20 x 16 x 365 = $116,800 which is staggering and why my FIL is burning through his money at an eye-watering rate. If you could find people willing to work for $15 an hour, you're looking at $131,400 a year for 24-hour care. Even if you paid federal minimum wage $7.25 you're still looking at $63,510 for 24-hour care.
Plus, a good agency’s owners will work harder to create a fit between clients and staff. For us, that was unexpected and invaluable.
Our weekday caregivers were fantastic, reliable, and my mom was comfortable with them. The weekend caregivers were different nearly every weekend, and didn't seem all that motivated. So, we decided to "buy out" our weekday caregiver from the agency, and she referred us to four other great caregivers with whom she felt she could cover 24/7 as a team.
It worked very well, thanks to the professionalism of the five terrific caregivers. We paid them $16-17/hour, with time and a half for overtime. All on the books, using nanny-payroll software to take care of taxes, SS, medicare, and unemployment insurance. If you hire privately, don't forget to get a workers' comp policy in case someone hurts themselves.
Hugely expensive. We recently moved Mom to a nursing home because she needed services we couldn't provide at home, and it costs less than the caregivers alone, while providing food, activities, medical care, etc.
shifts of 12 hrs or 8 hrs can be done privately or through the agency on an hourly basis BUT 12 hr shifts through the agency will require you to pay time and a half for the last 4 hrs. This can get costly. If you do 8 hr shifts 7 days a week you’ll have 6 people per week if you do 12 hrs you’ll have 4 people per week M-F and others on the weekend for both or M-Th abs the other shifts Fri-Sun. Or you can hire a live in privately to do 5 days and another for 2 days then you’d only have 2 people a week in the home . And there are some who will do 24/7 live in. Privately the range you’ll pay is $110-145 or more per 24 hr period depending on where you live in the US. Through an agency Exocet to pay $200 and up because most live-ins get $125 -$160 through a reliable agency. Please understand the live in isn’t working non stop the break down especially through an agency is 8 hrs work, 8 hrs sleep, 3 hrs for meals and the other 5 hrs is to be in the home for safety and it’s ok to get up during the night to help the patient but if the caregiver is up all day and all night doing on hands care this is in violation to labor laws. You’ll need to be very clear on the caregivers duties. The patient provides meals and a adequate place to sleep for the live- in. I hope this helps . Screaming, testing and background checks of private caregivers is critical. Agencies do all this.
I would go grocery shopping for my friends and also for the care giver who would tell me what she wanted to eat, so I provided the food. This system cost over $13,000 a month. I did it for 6 weeks before convincing the husband it was time to go to a memory care apartment I had found for them in order to save money. That cost just under $10,000 a month for the two of them. I have no idea what the care-givers actually were earning, just paid the agency.
I agree, though, that excessively long hours will result in caregiver burnout and poor quality of care!
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