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I'm hoping someone can help. My 86-year-old father lives alone in a regular apartment designed for senior citizens. He has been slowly declining over the past 10 years. Has had many TIA'S. 3 weeks ago he started talking strangely and 911 was called. On November 1st he was taken to the hospital he is still there as of today November 16th. I am the only living blood relative other than my two adult sons with families of Their Own. None of us live in the same town as he does I am about 20 mi away. He has been aggressive and angry to me specifically for the past 10 years and it's getting worse he did strike me although it was more shoving my arm away a few weeks ago as well but he talks to me with hate in his voice and has held me at arm's length with anything to do with his finances. Coincidentally in 2012 we lost my mother his wife after a 5-year battle with cancer in which he took care of her at home the entire time. They had been high school sweethearts so very difficult. I found him the apartment and it seemed to be working. Then we noticed the mental decline. He's been driving all this time an old junker car-- he has no money except for his Social Security. Fast forward to today. He has been in the hospital 15 days medically he is very healthy but mentally he has vascular dementia. He can't usually hold a normal conversation anymore he has good periods of time but for the most part I have to open his carton of milk and he thinks the cell phone is the TV remote it's definitely not good. But we had a bomb dropped on us, figuratively, he makes too much Social Security to qualify for Medicaid! Social Security is the only asset he has he has nothing else. Bluntly, after a meeting with social worker and doctor they are sending him back home to his apartment. Without Medicaid there is NO memory care facility, and NO nursing home, NOTHING, that will take him. I cannot take him in I have absolutely no room, the grandchildren cannot take him in, and that’s it that's the only people. I cannot believe that this happens in the United States but they tell me it's fairly common? I haven't slept in 3 weeks I cannot believe that I have to take this man and put him in the apartment and he's going to try and take care of himself? He is aggressive to me and agitated. I have reached out to just about every organization I can and he doesn't qualify for VA assistance as far as I have checked he was in the Army but never in combat. I have an association that tells me he's not been completely denied from Medicaid but the social workers are telling me he has. We have been abandoned. They told me that he could not be released from the hospital if he did not have a safe place to go. Believe me if we could take him in we would. I am absolutely sick knowing that this is going to happen on Monday they've given us hardly any time. The doctor coldly said "the hospital is not a glorified nursing home you know." That was his parting words. I work but I haven't been able to so my job is in desperation, but the hardest thing is my father's hatred of me and yet I am his medical POA and the only person that lives even remotely close. How can I drop him off in that apartment and go home and try and sleep at night? How can I be told that he will never qualify for Medicaid? We would love for his Social Security to just disappear but I'm told that they can't reduce it anybody have any advice for me? I am sitting here in the tears that I shed every single day and I am dreading Monday. Coincidentally, he had been driving right up until the day he went in the hospital and that was most important to him in the world. They've now taken his license of course that will mean nothing to him he would drive anyways but we did take his junker car and get rid of that and he is going to absolutely go crazy when he finds out the car is gone and it seems like I'm the one that's going to have to tell him.

Talk to the social worker (or administrator) where he currently resides.
If he is considered unable to care for himself living alone and needs to be in a nursing home (or other facility), discuss making these arrangements with the staff. If an MD talked to me like he spoke to you, I would report him/her to the hospital's administrator, their board of directors and the licensing board. Write a letter and cc everyone. It is inexcusable.

- From what I've read on this site previously, a hospital or medical facility cannot LEGALLY release a person if that person doesn't have care available upon release, if they are unable to care for themselves. I see below that it is called: UNSAFE DISCHARGE

Based on the feelings you have for him or the relationship (his hatred of you), it would be advantageous for you to find another person to take legal responsibility for him. You are not obligated to be legally responsible. If you need to, make him a ward of the state. I know this sounds cruel and is difficult - however, you need to do what you can, depending on who is available to help.

While it can be convoluted, see if you can find a live-in if you think that might be enough. The problem with that is caregivers living on site are considered employees and legally protected to have all benefits that any other employee receives. It can be a major headache.

He will continue to be more resistant and angry as he is losing more of his perceived independence. Expect this (response / behavior).

Do whatever you need to do to extricate yourself for this situation - for your own mental and physical health.

Take your name off his hospital papers IF you signed as the responsible person for his welfare.

Get medical authorization that he has dementia and/or is unable to care for himself.

Gena / Touch Matters
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I understand, from an attorney, that if you sign over all of his income to the state, the state has to pay for his care. I would contact an attorney in your state to make that happen.
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My mom was in the same boat. She used all of her saved money to pay for memory care and when that ran out we had to apply for Medicaid but she made too much money with her pension. We hired an elder lawyer and they said we had to create a Miller Trust. All of moms income gets put into the Miller Trust except for $52 dollars. The $52 is used for haircuts, and clothing. Then Medicaid pays the difference in the $8500 mon bill to the memory care facility.

I feel for you....the stress of it all, the not sleeping, dealing with an angry mentally unstable parent...it is a lot!

That doesn't make any sense to me that your dad would not qualify for VA benefits because he didn't experience combat. Again, I think an Elder Lawyer could help with all of this.
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TouchMatters 3 hours ago
Yes, VA benefits are continent upon service.
A person needs to read the fine print and/or find an attorney who specializes in this area. (I had called and spoke to a representative who didn't know ... he referred me to go to google to do my research).
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Call Elderly Affairs they shoukd be able to help you with your dad. Or at least guide you where to seek help.
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TouchMatters 3 hours ago
What is Elderly Affairs?
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I agree with those saying he needs to become a ward of the state. Since he has no assets you do not need to be his financial POA. Let the state handle everything and let it go for your peace of mind. You will feel better once he is settled. See him weekly so you don't feel guilty once he does get settled but keep it short. He isn't going to remember anyway. These are things you will have to learn to live with. Honestly there is guilt no matter what you do. We were adamant to keep my mom home but she got covid and went berserk and started running away, either crying or screaming angry continually. My siblings said, "it's time to put her in memory care" She has been happier there and although it kills me not to be able to see her daily it has been good for her and what is best. Prayers for some peace for you.
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TouchMatters 2 hours ago
thank you very much. good advice / support. Gena
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🙏🙏. I have no answer. But going through similar circumstances with my Mother , she is 85.
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With him being violent to you, you say unsafe discharge. If discharge planners keep asking you, you tell them you are estranged and that you will be unsafe if you take him in. Let the state solve his problem.
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UNSAFE DISCHARGE. Just keep repeating that over and over and over again
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TouchMatters 2 hours ago
Thank you. I didn't know the jargon although this is what I said. Gena
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Do not seek guardianship or PoA. Let him become a ward of the state. This is not a situation to involve yourself in.

Him being violent with you once was one time too many. Don’t make excuses or try to rationalize that.
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Are you his financial PoA? If not, is anyone?

If he doesn't have a financial PoA you may have to ask the courts for a conservator (legal guardian) to manage his finances. You can pursue it but it is expensive and time-consuming to do so.

When my cousin with ALZ became combative, refusing meds for her agitation, she was admitted into the hospital's psych wing for a full month until they got her more stabilized on meds. This may be something that happens to your Dad, but my cousin has PoAs managing all her affairs.

I think for anyone to manage another's SS payments they need to become a Representative Payee through the local SS admin office, but again... a FPoA or legal guardian probably needs to pursue this if your Father doesn't voluntarily assign it (if he's even cognitively able to).

Good advice has been give to you below. You will need to work through it, eating the elephant one bite at a time. You do not need to go get him from the hospital. I have read on this forum where staff has called taxis to get discharged patients back to their homes so be prepared.

As others have responded, "unsafe discharge" needs to be said over and over, and that you are not will or able to be his caregiver due to his anger and aggression. See Alva's post to you.

I wish you all the best on Monday and that your Dad will go into appropriate care.
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I would talk to a medicaid caseworker. If Dad is over the income cap, your State may allow for Miller Trust/Qualifying Income trust. The extra money goes into this trust. You need a Elder Lawyer to set it up.

You claim "unsafe discharge" to the SW. There is no one to care for Dad and he has no money to hire someone. Even if Dad could get VA assistance it may take a while to get into one of their homes. You need one now.
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1. There is no way that any hospital can do such an unsafe discharge.
They must have care in place for someone diagnosed with dementia.
THEY want YOU to BE that care; don't do it.
When Social Workers say they are going home tell them.
A) "Dad is diagnosed as incompetent and unable to care for himself".
B) "I will not be assisting or caring for dad in any way."
C) "This constitutes an "UNSAFE DISCHARGE" (those EXACT words) , and I will report Dad's discharge IMMEDIATELY TO THE APS and the POLICE and the JCAHO.
I will report this hospital to APS. I will ask for state guardianship and placement for my father."
D) "I will then report this hospital to the Joint Commission on Accreditation which is responsible for your license. The JCAHO will be in here like the FBI on steroids. Prepare to lose your license to operate for Medicare patients."

That alone will take care of the social workers. They will say to one another "Oh, oh, this guy is informed, and he's not taking his dad off our hands; time to do our jobs".

Now onto this nonsense about no assets but SS too high for a demented person to be in nursing home care. I don't think there is ANY monthly SS that high. Your father needs placement. What EXACTLY is the limit in your state for Medicaid. What EXACTLY does your father receive in SS per month? THAT doesn't make sense on the face of it.

Were I you I would not become POA or Guardian and I would not handle this.
I would tell the social workers that your father is not competent anymore in his own behalf and you WILL NOT take on any responsibility for him, cannot handle him due to (make it up, physical or mental or a combo works). Tell them that he requires state guardianship.
NOW
If after all of THAT they do discharge your father home, then up to you to report him to APS, police, to call ambulances over and over again, and etc. Be on them so much they think you are family.

The other option? They send Dad home and he dies there. He is 86. Is another two weeks, two months, two years in the nursing home preferable?

All you can do at this point is try to
1. Stop discharge home in an unsafe manner
2. Call APS over and over and over reporting senior discharged unsafely at home and in grave danger.
3. Call ambulances.

Trust me, once they realize they CANNOT MANIPILATE YOU into collecting your father and taking him to YOUR HOME (which is what they want and ALL they want to get him off their own dance cards) they will function to do their jobs. They will get him placed. If you give over any rights to manage his care then THEY WILL DO IT ALL. Just remember you will have ZERO say in how he is placed, where he is placed; his home will be locked and they will eliminate it and car and anything else he has in terms of assets, and they will place him as near you as they are able in the circumstances. But again, you will have nothing to say in any of this.
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cover9339 Nov 16, 2024
To be honest Alvadeer, hospital wants him out probably because they would have to justify billing whatever insurance is paying his care. There is then more incentive to discharge as soon as possible.
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You say " He will be unsafe if he is discharged" and I cannot take him as there is no one to care for him.

You say it over and over again, refuse to take him and he will be made a ward of the state and they will find a place for him using his funds for his placement, the state will pick up the shortfall.

The social worker and hospital's goal is to release him although he will be unsafe, you have to keep saying NO.

That is IMO the only solution, he will vacate his apartment at the same time.
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