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FamilySlave, as we age our taste buds go on vacation and never return. My Mom's [90's] grocery list was filled with cupcakes, chocolate chip muffins, ice cream, pie, etc. as she and Dad could no longer taste food products that weren't sweet. And as I am getting older, I am starting to notice that myself when I eat. It's sad when that happens :(

Everyone's kitchen habits are different, thus is won't be easy to change a pattern.

My Mom also use to stock up on food. I also do the same with can or boxed items. I think it's just security knowing that if there is a storm, or heavy snow on the horizon, that one can do meals without needing to run to the grocery store.
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My MIL was English and felt she needed to go to the store everyday. My FIL stopped that when he retired. Her refrigerator had more food in it than mine and I had a family of 4. I am fussy about leftovers. They have to be eaten within 3 days or trashed. When she lived in Fla and FIL had passed and the kids were no longer going with us, she would shop before we got there with stuff she herself would not eat when we left. We told her not to shop before, we would go when we got there. We knew she already had a pantry full of stuff and frig. She did it anyway. She sent stuff from the pantry home with us. All unexpired, water crackers rancid.
One visit I went to get bagels out of the frig. They were from our last Visit in November. I went thru the drawer and everything was expired. She felt as long as they were in the frig they were OK. She was 90 by this time. No, she was not happy I cleaned the drawer out. She complained about not having money, but when we cleaned out her house, we found duplicates and more. I think she forgot what she had bought before.

You have to be careful with refrigerator freezers. If they don't stay at 0 or below, the food starts to go bad. Meats especially. Bread lasts about a month then starts to taste freezer burnt. Same with cakes.

You have been given some good ideas but it is hard to change years of thinking. I like the taking inventory and list idea. Be firm. My Mom would reach for the junk, I would ask who is it for. If my nephew who lived with her, I'd say he doesn't need it. (He has a neurological problem where he doesn't make good choices and was putting on weight. This causes problems with the 4 rods in his back)
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Also, can she afford buying all this extra food? If so, the extra, before the expiration date, could be donated somewhere. Even to a friend/neighbor/relative, if not a pantry.

If it's fresh food that goes bad, it can be composted. Or maybe you know someone with chickens??
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Familyslave Jun 2019
actually, there is only one house in the subd of 200+ homes who has chickens, and they are next door to us! I'll ask them what I can give their chickens.
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How aware is your mom? Can she understand that she's buying too much and that she's wasting money and food? If so, maybe do an "inventory" before going to the store so that she might, hopefully, not overbuy quite so much.

If she can't really understand the situation, then I guess that's a bit more complicated. Will she take direction, like, Mom you have 4 of those at home still so I think we could skip it this week.

I wouldn't get into a big power struggle over this, but I'm sure there are some ways to reduce waste without it getting too difficult. Easy for me to say, right??

Re: the chicken - I liked a prior idea of freezing part of it. Help her take off enough of it for what she will use, freeze and label the rest and then put it in the fridge to defrost as needed, directing and reminding her that it is there for her to use.

2 fridges sound a bit excessive. And costly on the electric bill! Maybe there could be a goal of shutting that 2nd fridge down? Does she still regularly put stuff in it?? If so, maybe it could "break" and then get her to adjust her thinking a smidge to live with one fridge instead.

I do totally understand this being frustrating for you and I HATE wasting food too! At least some can go to your animals but a lot must go in the trash too.

Cupcakes: Are they fresh? Can they be bagged or wrapped and frozen as well? Seems like they would defrost quickly.

So, if it were me, I'd try a few things to try to make the situation more tolerable. But if she is terribly resistant, it's probably not worth making too big a deal over and you may have to bite your tongue and let it go.

Good luck!
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Familyslave Jun 2019
I like your ideas. If time allows, I'm going to do an inventory with her before each grocery trip.
Freezing the chicken for her usewhenever she wants isn't practical because she's extremely impatient and no longer knows how to safely use appliances or knives. She has melted plastic in the oven, started a grease fire, and put glass bottles with metal lids in the microwave. When she wants food, she wants it NOW. I'm lucky she can wait about 5 minutes, but that has to include EVERYthing in the prep. If I sit her food down in front of her because it's ready, then walk over to get a fork from the utensil drawer, she'll scream at me, "where's my fork?! how am I gonna eat this without a fork?!"
Is she aware? Yes...but..... She's much more able to process info and remember than Dad, who's memory is shot. However, both of them have had undiagnosed personality disorders their whole life. One is that they're both hoarders. I blame the Depression in part, but both of them seemed to be unable to stop buying stuff. So, it's not just food. I dread getting rid of it all and have been doing it slowly for a couple of years. Due to their inability to say no to my brother and his wife who guilted them out of tens of thousands of dollars before and after I arrived, they no longer have access to their remaining money. So, that's a big help.
I don't give the stale or dried out cupcakes to the animals and since it's barely food, I don't feel as bad about throwing that out.
No one taught us how to make money or how to invest, so I had to learn the hard way. Dad always just said, "save your money." And "whatever it is, you don't need or deserve it." Regardless of what I think today, that conditioning is strong in me. I buy one new shirt or pants about every 10 years; I talk myself out of everything. So I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum from my family, which doesn't help.
As for the older fridge, I've posted it for sale online but so far have gotten no interest. As long as it's there, they want to use it. So it needs to go.
thanks!!
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Here are a few more suggestions:
1) Sit down with her before you go shopping and make a list. Only things on the list can be bought. The arguments come before the money is spent, not when you get home and try to put it all away.
2) Or, when you get home, put the things that aren’t needed to one side and say that you are taking them to give to charity because there’s too much to get eaten. If you ask around, you will find somewhere that takes fresh food as well as packages. When your mother sees what is being given away, she won’t be happy, but it will make it all a bit more real for her. And it’s not as wasteful as letting it go off.
3) Or, agree with her a budget to spend, and put that much money in her purse for the trip. She may not buy the ‘right’ things, and she may be embarrassing at the checkout, but again it shows her how much more she is buying than she agreed before hand.
4) Or, refuse to take her shopping with you.
5) Or, shop on line and get it delivered.

You are not going to change this situation without there being some fuss, and it’s up to you to choose which is the lesser evil. Best wishes – it would drive me up the wall!
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katiekat2009 Jun 2019
Good idea! Utilize one of the online services where order is ready for you when you get to the store.
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If you can keep the receipts I would consider taking some of the unopened food back to the store since you shop there several times a week. If she pays using cash, credit or debit card it is usually simple to return items unused and in original packaging and free of dirt, oil, or other substance on the outside of package.

If I was successful getting the food back to the store, I would try to place some small plastic containers toward the back of the fridge so food would not get buried in the depths of storage shelving. Later I would work to clear the backside of cabinets where boxes of pudding are stored, beginning from the top shelf and working down toward the most accessible shelving. This may help rotate the food to reduce the waste. Gradually reduce storage space without leaving any empty spaces.
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Mom may have been raised in a family where there was not enough money to buy so-called “junk food” . Now that she feels she’s in charge, she can buy all the junk food she wants, and apparently does. However, leaving food out to spoil attracts many kinds of unwanted bugs and other vermin. Do they have cognitive deficiencies? I suggested a while ago to someone with much the same issue that while someone took their loved one out for,unch, someone else go to his house and clear out much of the food they knew he would never eat. Would they remember if you did that?

Can you offer to go shopping for her? Then conveniently “forget” to buy five of the six dozen cupcakes she wanted. Or, you buy the chicken occasionally, give her one or two pieces and freeze the rest. Take her to lunch instead of shopping if you know she doesn’t need anything. That way she’ll still be getting out.

And, you know what? It’s ok to put your foot down. When she loads up her cart, tell her, “No, Mom, you don’t need all that.” And put it back. Let her be disappointed.. Let her be angry. Make sure she has enough food and treats, but not to extreme excess.
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Familyslave Jun 2019
Along with their other personality disorders, obsessiveness is one. I have forgotten on purpose and by accident to buy her junk food. But Mom always remembers that she asked for more cupcakes. She will not forget.
She also obsesses over going with me. I understand; she's bored and lonely and it's fun for her to get out and nothing else is of interest to her.
Mom's got a memory like an elephant. If she buys two bags of caramels along with the cupcakes, sweet rolls, choc bars, coffee cake, and donuts, and I put it all on the counter where she can see it and access it all day every day, but put one bag of caramels away, she'll ask me about that bag 10 days later.
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