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It may be hard to stand up to your dad, but isn't it hard taking his crap??? It needs to end. YOU need to be in control of YOU. He is NOT - do not let him be. He's used to bossing you around but those days need to be gone.

Frankly, who cares is he's mad at you?? Does he care how you're feeling? Obviously not. You need to set boundaries - be firm but kind and stick to your guns. Do the things you want to do and nothing more. Read up on boundaries and on grey rocking - how to ignore his insults and not engage and leave.

Yes, you do waaaay too much for him. I'm a little older than him and can not even begin to imagine acting this way to my children. It's heinous!! I made the mistake of doing too much for my parents - mostly self inflicted though! If I could go back 20 years, I would have done things so much differently. I was an enabler and someone told me I was actually a "disabler". I was angry at first but then the light dawned and I was able to see that doing too much for my parents made them able to sit around and do less which helped feed their declines. That was mind blowing to me but once I got it, boy was I upset with myself! But you have to move forward and do what you know is right.
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TheYoungest2 Jan 23, 2024
Thank you! It does me good to read that another parent his age would not do this to their child. It helps me realize it's not normal because I thought it was for so long. I truly thought it was my obligation to be there at his every beck and call. My husband would get so mad and always said he wouldn't be that way to his parents if the shoe was on the other foot and that I shouldn't be for my dad. He would tick me off when he would say that. I know now though. I only wish I would have found this website a lot sooner. Things could be different now. I can only move forward from here.
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TheYoungest2: Set boundaries.
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Time to draw the line in the sand. Get your husband to give him The Talk... He cannot continue to manipulate you and your sister any more... He is a class act of a manipularor and Narcissist.... Get social services to pay him a visit... He obviously doesn't take responsibility for himself and this is a problem... Tell him heay have to go into a facility as he cannot take care of himself... You and your sister are both adults... Time to set boundaries...
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I will revisit this / your post soon. (I just returned from a whirlwind Am Trak trip to Denver - in the freezing blizzard(S). It was wonderful.

I would initially suggest / encourage that you get into therapy.
* Old patterns of behavior / triggers will be 'running' you until you stop them.
* Guilt is a B--ch with a capital B. It is a tough one although if you learn how to go inside and feel through it - you can learn to re-... direct those feelings. First you need to allow yourself to fully feel them. Not just surface-ly.

Ultimately, I believe you need (we all do) learn to put our self first.
Build our our self-esteem and feel our value in the world. When we are grounded in our SELF (took me decades although it starts with a desire, if not determination, to go on a personal - inner - journey), the 'answers' or guiding to what is the best way to proceed will come to you. Trust yourself. Trust your intuition. Do your inner work.

Daddy may be a narcissistic pesonality type. Research / learn what this is - as well as learn how to feel / be compassionate towards him (he is scared, fearful -- and has - perhaps life long strategies in place to get what he wants). While you learn to understand his behavior - and reasons - you do not allow him to control you and how you decide to interact with him. You are two separate entities / people in the world with your own triggers - and needs - for the best life you can manifest.

For you it is a combination of learning to be compassionate and set boundaries.
He won't like it. You may feel awkward doing. However, you need to stop catering to him (which is sounds like you are doing - perhaps for decades ... perhaps 'trained' / brought up to do this for your entire life). This is why I suggest therapy. It will help you navigate through all the family 'stuff' so you can make healthy / healthier decisions for yourself first, while managing dad's needs.

Ultimately, we all need to learn that there is so much we can do and then we have to accept / learn to LET GO and (as some may say ) LET GOD.

None of this will be easy. You are going to interrupt old patterns of behavior / conditioning - perhaps from your entire life. The payoff: You will know who you are to your CORE. This is the best gift you can give to yourself. I know. I did / do the inner work for over 40-50 years. It never ends. And, learning who I am to my core is ... well, powerful - it allows me to own my behavior and also allows others to own theirs. It allows me to let go when thing don't go my way ... That is a simplified explanation. This 'inner journey' never ends. It makes my life - the quality of it worth living.

Gena / Touch Matters
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Beatty Jan 22, 2024
Gena, your well written explanation makes such sense.
I hope you don't mind, I made a copy for me to re-read.

I know someone that has positioned themself as the Go-To person for an elder. While needs appear reasonable yet, the Go-To is already 'on call'.

Being the Go-To (appears to me) to be the opposite of a Let Go position... so involved in the others' life, like their lives have blended. People closer than me have named it 'co-dependant'. While that is not my circus.. I am always keen to read about & learn what drives motivation & behaviour.

I've seen this guilt spreading before. When the main Go-To then adapts the same pattern to pull in their own adult children, nieces, nephews or siblings.

Someone has to break the pattern.

Thank you 😊
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Youngest....I haven't read all the responses to your post. After reading your initial post and some of your responses, all I could hear in my head was "GASLIGHTING"!!!

Look up the term....turns everything around to it all being your fault....making you second guess yourself.....

They've learned that gaslighting helps them get what they want.

If anyone hasn't suggested seeking some mental health counseling, please think about finding a counselor/therapist that can help you gather some strategies and responses to you "man/child" father the next time he wants to play the victim.

You've already done a couple of good things by recognizing his behaviors and by reaching out to this community filled with wisdom and experience!

I really liked the response that included that you ask if he wants help looking for and assisted living situation since he has no family left....(paraphrased). :)


Blessings and hugs to you!!!
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BurntCaregiver Jan 22, 2024
@rowdyrider

Very well said about the gaslighting. That's exactly what the father is doing.
That and he has weaponized his neediness and uses it to manipulate and control.
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A straight answer to your original question “How do I know when my dad is using his health problems to get what he wants?” Answer: in view of his track record, the best thing is to assume he is ALWAYS ‘using his health problems to get what he wants’. Don’t jump, then wait a few days to see if he finds some other way (besides rudeness to you) to solve his problem.

“And how do I stand up to him without the guilt?” Answer: quit ‘guilt’ – guilt for what? You have NO obligation to support your father in any way. At age 57, he can check out all his options, and find his own supports. He is not your child, certainly not a small child, and you aren’t responsible for him. He is a very nasty middle-aged user, that’s all. You might even think that he's killing off his family, one by one.
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TheYoungest2 Jan 23, 2024
Thank you, Margaret!
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I suggest that you get some therapy just to sort through your thoughts and feelings. For sure, don't let your father guilt you needlessly. You are a wife and a mother, and those two relationships do need to take priority over running to help Dad every time he squeaks. And you work, presumably because you need the money. You cannot be his fulltime caregiver, even if he wants you to be. He is only in his fifties. You can't keep this up for decades. He may have some genuine needs other than power tripping or wanting attention, but if the needs are overriding your own sanity or the your immediate responsibilities (husband and child) AND if your dad really cannot manage activities of daily living, then your husband, talking man-to-man, needs to say things like, "Dad, it's time to have the talk guys never want to have. Your condition seems to be deteriorating enough that we need to look into finding an assisted living or perhaps even skilled place for you. The fact that you need and demand this much help this frequently is a clue. The guilt you try to lay on us is a symptom that you are becoming less rational about what would be reasonable expectations too, which gives us concern about cognitive decline, and if this keeps up, finding a place that can provide care will need to be our next project." Dad will be absolutely offended and horrified by this. I wouldn't usually recommend using this big of a hammer on a parent, but he is still young, and this is not getting better despite the things you and your husband have tried already.
Your dad thinks you are a pushover. He quite possibly does not view you husband in the same light, so the genuineness of that "threat" may light a fire under him to work on doing those things that he can do. If it doesn't, EVERY time YOU have to miss work or compromise your child or husband to do something your dad COULD have done for himself, be sure to leave a flyer lying around his place for the latest assisted living or senior service you've noticed.
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TheYoungest2 Jan 23, 2024
Thank you!
That is great ideas and I really like the idea of leaving flyers laying around. He will flip his lid, for sure but you are right that he needs to realize it or take control of the things that he can actually do himself.
I do feel like a pushover to him and that's my fault because I let it get to this point. I used to not take his crap but something seriously happened to me after I had my son and I can't for some reason stand up to him like I used to. I'm too much of a worrier and a people pleaser but that's landed me being miserable when I can't tell him no.
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Are you sure your dad does not suffer from some form of dementia? Early onset Alzheimer's or maybe FTD?

Yes, I understand. The elderly may be demanding. They may not care that a daughter like you with a job to do and make the household go smoothly with a husband and a 6-year-old son. BUT, a person suffering from Mild Cognitive Impairment, MCI" can exhibit those behaviors due to the illness, and definitely not to make you feel bad.
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Your husband and child are your first priority. This situation will slowly chip away at your relationships with the two most important people in your life. You might lose your marriage over it.

Grow a backbone and figure out how much time to spend on the phone and how often to go visit and how much you are going to do for him. The more you do the more that will be demanded.

Nip this in the bud, it will get worse if you don't. You will never ever do enough to earn his so-called love. You cannot control what he thinks and you should not allow him to make you feel guilty.

You can only control your response to the situation.
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faithfulbeauty Mar 11, 2024
I agree!! It will never be enough! My dad got upset with me today because I told him that I can’t clean him when he soils himself. He has someone to help him do that but yet, he things I should be willing.
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Your situation sounds like mine. Long story short, when my mom died, I stepped up to help my father. Back then he really didn’t need it but he always expected me to and he wouldn’t clean up after himself. I regret neglecting my needs. Now he’s older and needs the help but I do feel he tries to make me feel sorry for him plus he often has an attitude with me. My advice for you is to please set boundaries. Take care of your family first! If he has Home Health, he has them to help.
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